Tune in to this week's Golden Years episode as the crew chats with former Hawthorn recruiting manager John Turnbull.

Responsible for the recruitment of Chance Bateman and Mark Williams, Turnbull talks about the period where he pushed for a greater inclusion of First Nations players coming to the brown and gold.

In this insightful episode, you'll get an understanding of the process and drive to bring players to a football club.

Listen below, or search for Golden Years on your chosen podcast provider.